Opinion: Dog And Pony Show Informational Health Care Meeting At Trace Creek Baptist Church.

"Conservative Christians in name only" (4.00 / 1)

I've seen  how our "Conservative Christians in name only"  work.  I've seen the hate email wishing that we had never been born, are our mother's had aborted us from so called CCINO and youth minsters . I've had friends fired because of their Political views, one who ran against a congressman is moving out of state because they couldn't find a job, like they were black listed. I've seen one who was arrested over a democrat float in a parade because one of the CCINO stated he didn't want a N****'s picture in the parade . there nothing bipartisan from the GEE NO PEE.
Congressman Ed Whitfield only amendment to HR 3200 was to get higher pay for pain management Doctors . because they have donated so much to his campaign. Pay to Play
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"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed."
~Mark Twain~  

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by: kilowat @ Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 13:31:56 PM UTC

Trace Creek Informational Farce (4.00 / 4)

What I witnessed at Trace Creek was the most shameful and embarrassing display of ignorance, prejudice and outright fear that I have ever witnessed.

Words are barely adequate to convey the sheer despair of knowing that I live in an area; that my children are being raised in an area, predominantly populated by such willfully ignorant people.

To pre-empt the typical Republican response (since they are so predictably lacking in originality) NO I will NOT move, lol! It is you dinosaurs, you throwbacks to the era of Jim Crow segregation who must and WILL GO or the next generation of Kentuckians will move on without you.

Either way, we will not mourn the "loss", the extinction, of the ideology of hate you carry within your empty souls to spawn in your houses of worship, in the name of a Messiah who would curse you for the hypocrisy you practice and the shame you bring to his message: Matthew 22:35

My only consolation is knowing that these sad, scared people are in the minority nationally. The majority of the country is moving on to a better day.

I can take comfort in knowing that my own children will never spread the seeds of racist, exclusionist, fear and ignorance to their own children and therein lies true hope.

I still hope for those who's minds are open to reason, and I met quite a few while campaigning for Obama. I too was once a Republican, the problem was I didn't know why....I only knew what my pastor told me. It never felt right, I never felt "informed" on the issues so I never actually voted Republican (thank God!)

I finally saw reason, I found the logical threads, the working class issues to follow and it all clicked. I had really been a Democrat all along. The first vote for President I ever cast in my life, at age 37 was for Barack Hussein Obama.

And even some of these folks are secret Democrats, in their heart of hearts.

Perhaps we can reach them. I still have hope.

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by: MotivatedMama @ Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 21:01:22 PM UTC

Thank you!! (4.00 / 1)

For such and excellent reply and for signing up. We look forward to hearing much more from you.

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by: RDemocrat @ Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 03:48:41 AM UTC

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The basic problem with the forum (4.00 / 3)

I have written this commentary over at the wkystar site in response to the pr blog about the event:

The panel and moderators made it clear that part of their agenda was to communicate to the audience that the bill was vague and confusing and so massive that there must be something bad in there. They succeeded, but I feel this was dishonest and disingenuous. The panel was unanimous in their negative and suspicious outlook toward the bill and not once did they highlight any of the positive aspects of the provisions within the bill, other than Dr. Jones defending the section on advanced directives. The problem is that the panel lacked diversity of outlook and functioned as an echo chamber for those who believe this bill is confusing and something to be afraid of in terms of potential for abuses. I would like to see a linguistic analysis of the number of times a panelist used the word "afraid" or some similarly emotionally charged word that would arouse fear and suspicion in the audience, compared to when they calmed concerns. The bottom line is that the CBO, which is an independent agency, and congressional staffers themselves, do not see this bill as vague and confusing. The CBO found it to be sufficiently fleshed out and specific to score it for costs and projected effects. The panelists admitted their lack of expertise in analyzing legislation, then turned around and exploited their lack of comprehension as a way to blame the bill for their reading comprehension problems. They were not qualified to run this forum, and suffer from false pride. Dr. Jones was certainly qualified to offer his perspective as a physician, but not as a legislative analyst. If they had allowed at least one person on the panel that supported the bill and could explain things the panel itself was confused by, this forum would at least have been somewhat more representative of the role of a free press in a democracy. Donna Groves made a snarky comment about how they couldn't get President Obama to come. But the truth is that Organizing for America Kentucky director, and Owensboro native, Jim Glenn, offered to come provide some expertise and balance to the panel. Not only has he worked as a legislative aide, he has worked in radio! But he was told this had to stay 'local.' By which I take it they mean they wanted it to stay small-minded, parochial, and confined to one outlook. Yes, the bill was presented as confusing and overwhelming, but it was the panelists who were confused, not the bill. I hope everyone attends the genuine debate that will be held at WKCTC in the near future. You will get to hear more than one perspective and be allowed to ask questions and hear two different perspectives respond.

How about it Hillbilly- can you count the number of times in your video of the event that the panelists used the word "afraid" or something similar in their discussion of the bill?

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by: kyunschooler @ Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 04:03:02 AM UTC

clarification on WKCTC forum: (4.00 / 1)

The forum at WKCTC is in the initial planning stages at this time, and nothing has been confirmed.

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by: kyunschooler @ Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 13:02:07 PM UTC

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kyunschooler (4.00 / 1)

I have the radio, WKYX 94.3. broadcast on tape. I also have video clips of the meeting and you are right about the fear atmosphere, as far as I'm concerned.
Just prior to the meeting WKYX 94.3 News Talk was broadcasting the Laura Ingraham Show and she was dishing Health Care reform. I felt the radio station was firing up the base before the meeting.
Dr. Jones lost my respect when he, very unprofessionally, made a snarky remark about Heather Ryan running for congress and  being defeated by Ed. Whitfield and the audience applauded wildly, much to his seemingly pleasure.
I can't help but believe that Trace Creek Baptict Church knew this was going to be a one sided affair and I feel their particpation in allowing this event in their church was wrong.
This is not my first encounter with folks in the Paducah area. When the CNN Express came to Paducah and Ali Velshi held an improptue Town Hall meeting about Health Care and then played video clips of it on  CNN. I was there and shot video also and the next day I get an email from CNN Express saying that they had received emails from folks in Paducah accusing me and others at the event of setting up CNN by packing the Town Hall panel. CNN was concerned and I understand that, but they soon learned the emails from Paducah were were not true and continued to show the video on CNN. We wrote this story and it went Nation Wide.
kyunschooler, I drove 370 miles round trip to see this Informational Health Care Meeting with my own eyes and try to expose it for what it was. I don't know if it did any good, but what they did is now on record here and they know they are being watched.

©"Never before have so few with so much promised to take away so much from so many and then laugh their asses off as the so many with so little vote for the so few with so much."
A James Pence Quote

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by: Hillbilly @ Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 16:50:27 PM UTC

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Hillbilly (0.00 / 0)

I will continue to listen and report on their every BS move. My computer was down for a while when I got home and I did not get to write anything today. Alas, I took some Nyquil and as we speak am knodding off. I will be back to fight tommorrow, the next day, and the next day....

Good night everyone!!!

By the way Hillbilly, yourself and Mike do a hell of a job and you sacrifice much of your time to these things. It is more than appreciated by me. At a DEC meeting this morning everyone knew who we were and were appreciative too.

Best wishes!!

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by: RDemocrat @ Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 04:23:40 AM UTC

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I agree that (4.00 / 2)

an important function was served by them knowing they are being watched.  I applaud Hillbilly for the effort he made in this.  If it weren't for him, it is also likely that WPSD would not have done the type of story they did.  I know that I am one of the people that emailed them asking them to explore whether the public was really getting the forum that was billed, whether accurate information was going to be shared or whether it was, in effect, a pep rally or echo chamber for Republicans and libertarians.

I spoke with Donna Groves after the forum.  She was tense and defensive and I think she knows her credibility with other journalists has been compromised.  While my friend and I were being very polite and courteous, she couldn't get away from us fast enough.  And we little middle-aged women are certainly not threatening figures.  

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by: kyunschooler @ Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 14:58:19 PM UTC

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hummm I'm not going to touch that (4.00 / 1)

Dynamite comes in small packages too ;)

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed."
~Mark Twain~  

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by: kilowat @ Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 23:21:11 PM UTC