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Medical Professor Endorses Single-Payer

by: RDemocrat

Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 21:06:58 PM EDT


With all the arguments over Public Options and Death Panels one solid truth is constantly overlooked. Single-Payer is the best option to fix the healthcare crisis in America. Although it is not the most profitable that is what makes it the best option for the most Americans. That is because private insurance has failed on many levels.  
RDemocrat :: Medical Professor Endorses Single-Payer
According to Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard, David Himmelstein single-payer is the only plan that will solve the crisis. He recently spoke with independent writer Anne Underwood about Medical bankruptcies.

According to Himmmelstein, if you have health insurance and think that that will protect you from bankruptcy due to medical disaster you are sadly mistaken:

Q. A major goal of health care reform is to cover the uninsured. But does covering more people necessarily mean that medical bankruptcies will decline?

A. No. Our most recent study found that nearly two-thirds of Americans who declared bankruptcy cited illness or medical bills as a significant cause (PDF) of their bankruptcies. And of the medically bankrupt, three-quarters of that group had insurance, at least when they first got sick.

Q. How do people go bankrupt in spite of having insurance?

A. We found two categories of problems. Some people were too sick to work and lost their jobs. Along with their jobs, they lost their insurance. The second group had continuous coverage, but their policies had so many co-pays, deductibles and loopholes that they were bankrupted in spite of having coverage. Most of those who declared bankruptcy were in the latter group.

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Now, many of those who are arguing so hard against a public option because they are covered and fear that others being covered will cause them to lose their coverage are way off base. In many cases even being covered they are one disaster away from ruin, and getting no return on the premiums they pay.

Of course that is because someone is always cutting corners, and denying coverage to help the bottom line.

Himmmelstein then goes on to give a ringing endorsement to the true solution, single-payer:

Q. Would any of the plans under discussion on Capitol Hill reduce the rate of medical bankruptcies?

A. Only the single-payer plan sponsored by Representative John Conyers and Senator Bernie Sanders. The others pretty clearly do little or nothing for medical bankruptcy.

Q. How would a single-payer system reduce medical bankruptcies?

A. A single-payer system, such as the one proposed by my colleagues and myself, not only covers everyone, but also eliminates co-pays, deductibles and virtually all uncovered medical bills. Both the Sanders and Conyers bills would work that way. That's how it works in Canada. Every Canadian has coverage with zero co-pays and zero deductibles. As a result, when they get sick, they're not forced to pay for care. It's the coincidence of bills coming when you're least able to pay them that creates the problem.

He went on to compare other plans being discussed in Congress to the "Romney-care" model used in Massachusetts and gives a sobering analysis of their potential effectiveness:

Q. Is there anything in the other plans under discussion on Capitol Hill that you like?

A. What's being discussed is pretty much a clone of what we've done in Massachusetts [since the state instituted an individual mandate in 2007]. From our study and from my own observations as a doctor in Massachusetts, more people are now covered, but access to care hasn't improved substantially. For many people, it's worse. Saying that everyone now has coverage is like saying you're dressed when you have a hospital gown on. If you look at the back, not much is covered.

Q. In your opinion, then, the main plans under consideration on Capitol Hill miss the point.

A. It's like debating the difference between aspirin and Tylenol for a cancer patient.

With all that has happened in the healthcare debate that single-payer was compromised from the very beginning. Some things simply should not be for profit and the health and well-being of all Americans should be among them. Single-payer is the right thing for America to do from a moral, ecnonomical and welfare standpoint. America can lead the world in this important category once again if our citizenry will simply wise up and demand to.

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You know (4.00 / 2)
when you hear all the arguments for reform, Single payer is the only option that makes sense. Great diary thanks for posting...

Thanks to you... (0.00 / 0)
For reading and replying!!

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how is single payer going to fix this problem (1.00 / 1)
When I have had health care bills that I had difficulty paying I called the provider and they worked with me on a payment plan. I made monthly installments until my unpaid bills were taken care of.

Another problem that single payer will cause is taxes. Obama plans on putting the IRS in charge of collecting taxes to pay for single payer. The IRS has put many people into bankruptcy, frozen their bank accounts and confiscated their assets to pay for their tax bills and bankruptcy does not protect you from the IRS.

We need health care reform but we don't need nationalization of our health care system.


Once again... (0.00 / 0)
You are spouting total garbage. How in the hell did Obama put the IRS in charge of collecting fees for single-payer when he scrapped single-payer from the beginning???

Private insurers have put as many people in bankrupcy as anyone but you are too obssesed with Obama hatred to look past the stupid, idiotic arguments pounded in your brain.  

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with your permission (0.00 / 0)
I have been properly chastised but with your permission I will paste the portions of the bill that puts the IRS in charge of enforcing the government run health care plan if the bill becomes law.

If you do not give me permission I will not post this information on your site.


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That... (0.00 / 0)
Just shows you don't know what you are talking about. You said the IRS would control collecting money for SINGLE-PAYER, which the government-run option does not even come close too and is needed!!!

And your arguments on single-payer raising taxes are probably true, but in Canada while they pay higher taxes, they also have much higher wages because they aren't a bunch of greedy idiots. The same job I am doing right now pays almost twice as much in Canada because some people can respect workers and quit trying to steal from their labors.

Once again this is a PROGRESSIVE site and like the Tea-baggers we don't have much tolerance for opposing views. Unlike you, we spout facts.

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i take it that is a no. (0.00 / 0)


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Dear Nathaniel John Balthazar Bumppo (0.00 / 0)
I hope you read the about us before making comments here. Believe me I understand how all this aging stuff works and sometimes, at our age, we find ourselves in places and don't remember how we got there or why we're there. I don't to assume you've done that here, but this is a progressive site and I'm beginning to wonder if you might be a little mixed up as to where you are, Hell I understand that. I take medicine to forget stuff. So don't be surprised when your Republican talking point comments are deleted. Nothing personal, but this is a progressive site.

Mark Twain: "When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Kentucky because it's always twenty years behind the times."

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just call me Hawkeye (0.00 / 0)
I had hoped that in coming to your liberal blog that I would be able to elicit mature conversation and compare and contrast liberal approaches to a problem against moderate and conservative approaches. I think I have a little more faith in competition in that the stronger idea survives based on the strenght of its merits. If the liberal health care reform is best it would be evident in debate.

I have to give you credit, you are pure in your liberal philosophical approach to an issue.  


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Natty... (4.00 / 1)
If true Conservatism was being represented we would have much less problem with it. What was Conservative about starting a war in a country that did not attack us and wasting a trillion dollars?? What was Conservative about doling out so much Corporate welfare that our economy crashed?? What was Conservative about Bush taking a surplus and turning it into a huge deficit?? Before you say Obama has spent more, bear in mind that the money wasted in the middle-east, over a trillion dollars is NOT EVEN REPRESENTED in his deficit figures. What was Conservative about the banks failing with their own greed and being bailed out by $700 billion taxpayer dollars?? Did you forget Bush did that?? What is Conservative about wasting over a trillion dollars in "nation building" but refusing to invest a dime in your own people and country.

You Republicans want to preach this garbage but you are anything but Conservative. The modern Republican Party does not mind wasting money one bit as long as it is given away to greedy assholes who care nothing about the welfare of their country if they have to sacrifice a skinny dime for it.

In fact, I see myself as more Conservative than they are.

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signing off for good (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for the response R. Problem is I can't reciprocate or it'll get deleted if I back my response up with any documented proof.


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or you can call me deerslayer (0.00 / 0)
reckon I'll just mosey along and try to find another liberal blog that will engage in adult conversation. I just ain't havin much luck.

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Dear Natty (4.00 / 2)
Thanks for the input, but it don't play with me, because I'm informed. Suggestion. Tell that to the Tea Party folks, they'll believe anything. Don't forget to frame it as Obamacare.

Mark Twain: "When the end of the world comes, I want to be in Kentucky because it's always twenty years behind the times."

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